asdcrajnet
02-02 10:16 AM
All the best asdcrajnet.. Both countries are equally good, we have lived in both.. so we know how to adjust..
Few points that you may need to find out before you go..
1) Apply for POI for your kid, you may have already done it. There is a restriction that you need to visit nearby police station every 180 days if your son is in India (because he is a US citizen), try to find out more about that and see what you can do to avoid it (may be get a India visa as opposed to a POI)
If you go to a police station, 100% guarantee they will ask for a bribe or make things difficult for us.
2) The school fees for non-Indian citizens is very high, because your son falls under NRI category, try to find out about it, and if possible share with us too.
Everything is good back home but there are few issues which I see are a problem,
1) Nothing moves ahead without bribery, if we need our stuff to move up the queue, say if it is land registration or getting approval for something - it will not move with bribery and any govt office related work we need to wait a lot and service is bad, unlike here in US there is no bribing and things are so streamlined and good. We can talk about ethics and moral values and not give bribe but then our need will never get fulfilled for years if we decide to go as per queue.
2) If you are in IT, the work hours are horrible, most of IT companies are outside city limits, we will end up going early in the morning and return late night (because hey we need to talk to onsite guys). If an employee leaves at 5:30 or 6 PM it means there he is not working - not sure when this culture would change there. Again most of them work on saturdays, so only sunday is a holiday, here in US i can leave work at 5 PM or 5:30 and come home and spend time with family.
3) Commute is very tough back home - too much traffic than what the roads can handle, there is traffic in US too but it is decent traffic, everyone follows rules and lane sense is there. Back home it is really horrible.
For your PD you have waited for a long time, I would suggest you wait for 1-2 more years and give it a try. We can always go back to India no one is going to stop us, but the return is not very easy. Nowadays h1b approvals and stamping has become a nightmare.
All the best in whatever decision you make. Everything is for good :)
My son Has the PIO card. The rule is we have to register with "Foreigner Registration Office" if he stays for more than 6 months. So I got to do that only once. I think there is some procedure when he turns 18. My son will be studying in a Private school. The fees are the same.
We got to be a Roman in Rome. If we have to bribe a little to get things done, I will do it. I am not there to change India. But I would really try to implement something what I learnt in US. I would never throw garbage in the streets(Preach others not to do it). Be kind to all people.
I lived in India for 23 years and in US for 11 years. I am used to both systems. I love the freedom of expression in US. Other than that I like the Parks and Nature in US. In India it is only reserved for the rich. Other than that both are fine with me. One big advantage in India is the extended family. I love lot of people.
I personally believe I can do more philanthropic deeds in India, because in US I have no time and it is hard for me to learn the system and help someone. Somehow. I cannot connect with the people over here(Its just me). All I do here is if something catastrophic happens, I go to Red cross website and donate some. I don't get the satisfaction in just donating the money. I will be happy if I could participate in changing the lives of a few.
Few points that you may need to find out before you go..
1) Apply for POI for your kid, you may have already done it. There is a restriction that you need to visit nearby police station every 180 days if your son is in India (because he is a US citizen), try to find out more about that and see what you can do to avoid it (may be get a India visa as opposed to a POI)
If you go to a police station, 100% guarantee they will ask for a bribe or make things difficult for us.
2) The school fees for non-Indian citizens is very high, because your son falls under NRI category, try to find out about it, and if possible share with us too.
Everything is good back home but there are few issues which I see are a problem,
1) Nothing moves ahead without bribery, if we need our stuff to move up the queue, say if it is land registration or getting approval for something - it will not move with bribery and any govt office related work we need to wait a lot and service is bad, unlike here in US there is no bribing and things are so streamlined and good. We can talk about ethics and moral values and not give bribe but then our need will never get fulfilled for years if we decide to go as per queue.
2) If you are in IT, the work hours are horrible, most of IT companies are outside city limits, we will end up going early in the morning and return late night (because hey we need to talk to onsite guys). If an employee leaves at 5:30 or 6 PM it means there he is not working - not sure when this culture would change there. Again most of them work on saturdays, so only sunday is a holiday, here in US i can leave work at 5 PM or 5:30 and come home and spend time with family.
3) Commute is very tough back home - too much traffic than what the roads can handle, there is traffic in US too but it is decent traffic, everyone follows rules and lane sense is there. Back home it is really horrible.
For your PD you have waited for a long time, I would suggest you wait for 1-2 more years and give it a try. We can always go back to India no one is going to stop us, but the return is not very easy. Nowadays h1b approvals and stamping has become a nightmare.
All the best in whatever decision you make. Everything is for good :)
My son Has the PIO card. The rule is we have to register with "Foreigner Registration Office" if he stays for more than 6 months. So I got to do that only once. I think there is some procedure when he turns 18. My son will be studying in a Private school. The fees are the same.
We got to be a Roman in Rome. If we have to bribe a little to get things done, I will do it. I am not there to change India. But I would really try to implement something what I learnt in US. I would never throw garbage in the streets(Preach others not to do it). Be kind to all people.
I lived in India for 23 years and in US for 11 years. I am used to both systems. I love the freedom of expression in US. Other than that I like the Parks and Nature in US. In India it is only reserved for the rich. Other than that both are fine with me. One big advantage in India is the extended family. I love lot of people.
I personally believe I can do more philanthropic deeds in India, because in US I have no time and it is hard for me to learn the system and help someone. Somehow. I cannot connect with the people over here(Its just me). All I do here is if something catastrophic happens, I go to Red cross website and donate some. I don't get the satisfaction in just donating the money. I will be happy if I could participate in changing the lives of a few.
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gee_see
10-01 04:13 PM
There was no discussion on invoking AC21 where the salary is lower than specified in LC. For example wages for LC filed in bay area will be higher than other places and if one wishes to move to work location where prevaling wages are lower compare with original LC location. What would USCIS position on this since AC21 does not talk about work location.
wage for Original LC location in Santa Clara:- 90k
New job offer in mid west:- 70K ( much higher than prevaling wages)
Please comment
wage for Original LC location in Santa Clara:- 90k
New job offer in mid west:- 70K ( much higher than prevaling wages)
Please comment
sledge_hammer
02-12 11:59 AM
D%ck weed, I came to this country with the intention of studying and then working, but to do so legally. I came to this country very well knowing that I have to maintain my legal status, regardless of the circumstances.
So to counter your sophomoric point - yes, it does not matter if you have spent your prime years working here, it does not matter if you have loans in India, it does not matter if your wife is on H4, it does not matter if your child is a US citizen, it does not matter if you did your masters here, it does not matter if you are from IIT, it does not matter if you're employed through a consultant, it does not matter if you're employed full-time with a "proper" company, it does not matter if your parents in India are sick and you need to send them money; THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THAT YOU SHOULD BE MAINTAINING LEGAL IMMIGRATION STATUS BECAUSE YOU CAME TO THIS COUNTRY KNOWING THAT!
So stop complaining @ss wipe and go back and learn to spell and fix your grammar.
>>>>>>Do you have a brain?
>>>>>>So why the hell u came to the country
>>>>>>u ask them to go to their home country is it
Thinking in your native tongue and translating to another language is NOT a very effective way to communicate. And for god's sake, spell 'you' the way it is and don't short hand it to 'u'. That's the most annoying thing people like you do.
Do you have a brain? seriosly... .. I wish people like u suffer through what everyone else who has lost a job or in the bnech go through...
So why the hell u came to the country... i think u are one of those cheap ass off shore guys who is onsite and showing off.. man
dont come to me mouthing off again... i did my master's here and i got job in OPT and my company sponsored my H1. I have friedns who sufferd through the phase of not getting a job and had to go through the desi consultants.. they were in no way inferior to u or me.. plain bad luck.. u ask them to go to their home country is it... moron grow some brains
So to counter your sophomoric point - yes, it does not matter if you have spent your prime years working here, it does not matter if you have loans in India, it does not matter if your wife is on H4, it does not matter if your child is a US citizen, it does not matter if you did your masters here, it does not matter if you are from IIT, it does not matter if you're employed through a consultant, it does not matter if you're employed full-time with a "proper" company, it does not matter if your parents in India are sick and you need to send them money; THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THAT YOU SHOULD BE MAINTAINING LEGAL IMMIGRATION STATUS BECAUSE YOU CAME TO THIS COUNTRY KNOWING THAT!
So stop complaining @ss wipe and go back and learn to spell and fix your grammar.
>>>>>>Do you have a brain?
>>>>>>So why the hell u came to the country
>>>>>>u ask them to go to their home country is it
Thinking in your native tongue and translating to another language is NOT a very effective way to communicate. And for god's sake, spell 'you' the way it is and don't short hand it to 'u'. That's the most annoying thing people like you do.
Do you have a brain? seriosly... .. I wish people like u suffer through what everyone else who has lost a job or in the bnech go through...
So why the hell u came to the country... i think u are one of those cheap ass off shore guys who is onsite and showing off.. man
dont come to me mouthing off again... i did my master's here and i got job in OPT and my company sponsored my H1. I have friedns who sufferd through the phase of not getting a job and had to go through the desi consultants.. they were in no way inferior to u or me.. plain bad luck.. u ask them to go to their home country is it... moron grow some brains
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grupak
08-05 09:50 AM
We received our two year EAD from TSC on August 4th. RD and ND June 18th. No worries for two years.
BTW my PD has been current since August 1.
BTW my PD has been current since August 1.
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sanjeev_2004
09-13 03:06 PM
Dear All:
I am starting this thread ONLY for those who filed their 485's to the TSC from July 5th till July 31, 2007. If you have receipt notices for your filings in between these dates, please reply here. I am concerned with what's happening with our submissions at the TSC? Thanks.
Create a new thread for TSC.
I am starting this thread ONLY for those who filed their 485's to the TSC from July 5th till July 31, 2007. If you have receipt notices for your filings in between these dates, please reply here. I am concerned with what's happening with our submissions at the TSC? Thanks.
Create a new thread for TSC.
desi3933
03-10 02:56 PM
Any lobbying for immigration is tough at the time of recession. I think you are trying to do advocacy effort. Without getting approval from core IV group it will not be any use as advocacy effort only will not work. Senators will note your concerns and will act only if some bill is introduced. You need lobbying with advocacy effort for changing any law. Lobbyists will lobby only at right time as if they do in wrong time it will backfire.
I agree.
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tonyHK12
02-08 06:00 PM
thanks kumar4875, new2gc for your contributions.
Amount raised = $1450.00
Contributions needed = $48,550.00
We are behind on funding for this effort and need at least $1000 raised everyday to have a successful advocacy effort.
Amount raised = $1450.00
Contributions needed = $48,550.00
We are behind on funding for this effort and need at least $1000 raised everyday to have a successful advocacy effort.
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sriram18
04-22 06:23 PM
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boreal
12-10 12:52 PM
Guys,
There are many more trailer-park, red-neck, f*** heads like proud american out there. We really really have to very discreet both at work and other places when we talk about various strategies, like webfax campaign, phone campaign etc.
I was going through the discussion forums of the oppt side too this week and one of the s***heads aparently overheard one of IV members asking ppl to start making phone calls to various senators/congressmen. Then he went throwing on on a barrage of insults at all Indians (i dont know why they want to single out Indians only) calling us pests and all sorts of name-calling. Then he went on to say that the good news is that these 'pests' are planning to go back to their home-lands if they dont get the 'green' soon. So he was asking everyone else to call the senators and oppose the bill. And then the ultimate thing - he says that they "have a lot of legitimate ways to make our lives miserable" in the US...Do i hear KKK there??
This is what happens when we are not discreet at work place. They claim that we are using our work hours to do personal stuff. And he felt obliged to do the same too. Obviously nobody cribs when all of us hard-workers work overtime to get things done.
Anyway, please be careful at work places, be friendly with everyone but have this in your mind that there is someone always overhearing in the next cube/office and possibly monitoring the web sites being visited (like the above guy that i mentioned, did i forget to say that he was the IT admin who was monitoring all the sites that the Indians were visiting?).
There are many more trailer-park, red-neck, f*** heads like proud american out there. We really really have to very discreet both at work and other places when we talk about various strategies, like webfax campaign, phone campaign etc.
I was going through the discussion forums of the oppt side too this week and one of the s***heads aparently overheard one of IV members asking ppl to start making phone calls to various senators/congressmen. Then he went throwing on on a barrage of insults at all Indians (i dont know why they want to single out Indians only) calling us pests and all sorts of name-calling. Then he went on to say that the good news is that these 'pests' are planning to go back to their home-lands if they dont get the 'green' soon. So he was asking everyone else to call the senators and oppose the bill. And then the ultimate thing - he says that they "have a lot of legitimate ways to make our lives miserable" in the US...Do i hear KKK there??
This is what happens when we are not discreet at work place. They claim that we are using our work hours to do personal stuff. And he felt obliged to do the same too. Obviously nobody cribs when all of us hard-workers work overtime to get things done.
Anyway, please be careful at work places, be friendly with everyone but have this in your mind that there is someone always overhearing in the next cube/office and possibly monitoring the web sites being visited (like the above guy that i mentioned, did i forget to say that he was the IT admin who was monitoring all the sites that the Indians were visiting?).
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11-17 09:43 PM
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mahujam
07-25 03:06 PM
Received by USCIS on 12th June.
Lud on 18th June.
No receipt received. Found SRC number through cashed check.
No further movement yet.
Eb-3/India/17th Jan 2003.
Lud on 18th June.
No receipt received. Found SRC number through cashed check.
No further movement yet.
Eb-3/India/17th Jan 2003.
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gcformeornot
02-18 06:57 PM
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kuhelica2000
01-30 02:37 PM
You are absolutely right. These frauds need to be stopped. Because of this fraud H1b quota is used up on the very first day and EB3 India has a backlog of seven years. If USCIS weed out all the frauds, I bet the wait for EB3 india will be no more than 3 years.
You are already out of status as H1 accounts for continuous employment along with regular pay. H1 visa, job and pay go hand in hand. Any one component missing means you are out of status.
There is no grace period. As the earlier member said, it is a gray area without any specific guidelines. I have seen people stay out of job (status) for 4 months and have used portability or consulate stamp upon getting a new job. It all depends on the IO.
BTW, did you ever realize how unethical it is to use a consultant for acquiring a H1 visa without actually having a fulltime job? For last 7 years I am on H1 myself and have played by rules� I hate people who false represent the facts for immigration benefits.
Because of people like you genuine candidates who have legitimate jobs are left out as you guys get lucky in the lottery even though you don�t have a regular fulltime job. My wife was forced to stay at home for almost 3 years because of people like you.. FYI she had a job offer (from a F500 Inc.) but people like you got lucky when it came to H1 lottery. Not just that but people like you give a bad name to legal immigrant community.
You are already out of status as H1 accounts for continuous employment along with regular pay. H1 visa, job and pay go hand in hand. Any one component missing means you are out of status.
There is no grace period. As the earlier member said, it is a gray area without any specific guidelines. I have seen people stay out of job (status) for 4 months and have used portability or consulate stamp upon getting a new job. It all depends on the IO.
BTW, did you ever realize how unethical it is to use a consultant for acquiring a H1 visa without actually having a fulltime job? For last 7 years I am on H1 myself and have played by rules� I hate people who false represent the facts for immigration benefits.
Because of people like you genuine candidates who have legitimate jobs are left out as you guys get lucky in the lottery even though you don�t have a regular fulltime job. My wife was forced to stay at home for almost 3 years because of people like you.. FYI she had a job offer (from a F500 Inc.) but people like you got lucky when it came to H1 lottery. Not just that but people like you give a bad name to legal immigrant community.
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conchshell
02-26 12:53 PM
Last year we started a major membership campaign in Colorado. People kind of agreed that IV is the appropriate platform for this crusade, and they were willing to contribute money, but only if they see required transparency in the IV organization. Members of the state chapters have so far not heard about how the contributed money is spent, and what kind of lobbying took place in Washington.
Is good to hear the cheers of "IV is our only hope", and yes in one way it is, but unless we bring required reform to IV, the status quo will maintain. That is several years since its inception : limited number of paying members, half hearted participation in various campaigns, and inactive state chapters.
Is good to hear the cheers of "IV is our only hope", and yes in one way it is, but unless we bring required reform to IV, the status quo will maintain. That is several years since its inception : limited number of paying members, half hearted participation in various campaigns, and inactive state chapters.
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akhilmahajan
02-09 11:24 AM
Hello Everyone,
Last year we ran a High Five Campaign and collected $4883 over a period of 4 months. It was a disappointment.
Now as we know the environment is very volatile and lot of things are going against LEGAL Immigrants i.e US (TARP Employer H-1B Restriction Bill (Sanders Bill)), i will like to request everyone to contribute as much as they can. I will like you to contribute a minimum of $20 dollars.
ALL you need to do is write out a $20 cheque and send it to IV on the address listed.
The address to mail the checks to is:
Immigration Voice
3561 Homestead Road #375
Santa Clara, CA 95051-5161
This address can also be found at: http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44
Please make sure you send in a cheque ONLY or do a bill pay so that no paypal/google checkout fees apply and all of the $20 ACTUALLY goes to IV.
Folks, we are facing historical hard times. Lets make a small donation to keep IV fighting for our cause. IV appreciates Monthly Subscriptions and that is the best thing to do. But these small campaigns/donations will also help IV. I hope you all agree with me and will support the effort.
GO IV GO. TOGETHER WE CAN.
Folks who have contributed so far:-
AkhilMahajan, GCCovet, hrushi_j, Snathan, Mightykandy, MHKumar, sanjay, mmanurker, ita, kate123, chantu, rvurady14, jelo, WaitingForMyGC, pachaik, vineet, Rajeev, coolpal, pcs, nousername
Last year we ran a High Five Campaign and collected $4883 over a period of 4 months. It was a disappointment.
Now as we know the environment is very volatile and lot of things are going against LEGAL Immigrants i.e US (TARP Employer H-1B Restriction Bill (Sanders Bill)), i will like to request everyone to contribute as much as they can. I will like you to contribute a minimum of $20 dollars.
ALL you need to do is write out a $20 cheque and send it to IV on the address listed.
The address to mail the checks to is:
Immigration Voice
3561 Homestead Road #375
Santa Clara, CA 95051-5161
This address can also be found at: http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44
Please make sure you send in a cheque ONLY or do a bill pay so that no paypal/google checkout fees apply and all of the $20 ACTUALLY goes to IV.
Folks, we are facing historical hard times. Lets make a small donation to keep IV fighting for our cause. IV appreciates Monthly Subscriptions and that is the best thing to do. But these small campaigns/donations will also help IV. I hope you all agree with me and will support the effort.
GO IV GO. TOGETHER WE CAN.
Folks who have contributed so far:-
AkhilMahajan, GCCovet, hrushi_j, Snathan, Mightykandy, MHKumar, sanjay, mmanurker, ita, kate123, chantu, rvurady14, jelo, WaitingForMyGC, pachaik, vineet, Rajeev, coolpal, pcs, nousername
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SivaMayam
08-14 09:02 AM
Dear Friends,
I would greatly appreiciate if you all would be kind enough to include the service center which issued the receipts along the filing date in your postings.
Thanks
~S
I would greatly appreiciate if you all would be kind enough to include the service center which issued the receipts along the filing date in your postings.
Thanks
~S
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stucklabor
06-27 10:10 AM
First up, thanks to everyone for resolving this issue on their own, in a reasonable and civil manner.
In a truly democratic environment, we may want to modify the core IV goals to reflect that (Ideally I would prefer that there be a vote for what should be the core goals...after all most people here have contributed something towards the cause...and only those who have contributed should be allowed to vote...no free lunch).
1. Allow people to file for 485 and get EAD even if visa numbers are not available
2. Allow EAD to be FULLY portable without restrictons (i.e., irrespective of job description or job title or job location or salary).
The above two dont ask for sweeping changes in immigration laws such as increase visa numbers etc. etc. and are easy for the average American person to understand. And so can hopefuly be passed easily.
With the above two passed, I dont think many people will complain if it takes another 5 years to get their GC. Agree?
By the way, I have got my EAD card and my PD is also current. So the above two goals will be redundant for me. My story is that I am stuck in FBI namecheck. But the moderators have already indicated that it cant be one of the core goals. So I would not list that even if I would like that to be one of the core goals.
Santosh
Santosh, those are good suggestions that I will take up to the IV team.
1. The idea of a democratically elected IV goals is a good one but there are huge practical problems. As it stands, the present IV goals are those that most people have indicated are those that the organization should strive for, and from our discussions with Congress/Senate staff, these goals are achievable. With democratically selected goals, the IV core team would have the unenviable task of fighting for whatever goals the populace decides is right, without regard to the achievability of the goals. For instance, if the junta votes on goals, many people would say 'Full portability of GC' or 'Automatic clearance of all pending labor cert applications in the BECs'. Those would probably not fly. Our current talking point is that our goals are small changes to the process; we do not skip any steps; and we do not change the process significantly. A full portability to any job changes the process significantly. Even yesterday, Spgtopper met the staff member of a very powerful House member and the staffer was quite positive on our goals - we do not ask for more green cards, we limit our goals to ones that are reasonable.
2. IV goals are not written in stone. Name check is definitely an issue but it is an issue that not many of our people face. If our membership's problems changes from retrogression to name check, then we would have to work on that. It may be smarter to anticipate the magnitude of the problem and start work early. If you would be kind enough to partially lead the effort, that would be great. Logiclife is working on this issue on his own, and WaldenPond is also working on this. Please PM them. Logiclife is on vacation so he may take a while to respond.
In a truly democratic environment, we may want to modify the core IV goals to reflect that (Ideally I would prefer that there be a vote for what should be the core goals...after all most people here have contributed something towards the cause...and only those who have contributed should be allowed to vote...no free lunch).
1. Allow people to file for 485 and get EAD even if visa numbers are not available
2. Allow EAD to be FULLY portable without restrictons (i.e., irrespective of job description or job title or job location or salary).
The above two dont ask for sweeping changes in immigration laws such as increase visa numbers etc. etc. and are easy for the average American person to understand. And so can hopefuly be passed easily.
With the above two passed, I dont think many people will complain if it takes another 5 years to get their GC. Agree?
By the way, I have got my EAD card and my PD is also current. So the above two goals will be redundant for me. My story is that I am stuck in FBI namecheck. But the moderators have already indicated that it cant be one of the core goals. So I would not list that even if I would like that to be one of the core goals.
Santosh
Santosh, those are good suggestions that I will take up to the IV team.
1. The idea of a democratically elected IV goals is a good one but there are huge practical problems. As it stands, the present IV goals are those that most people have indicated are those that the organization should strive for, and from our discussions with Congress/Senate staff, these goals are achievable. With democratically selected goals, the IV core team would have the unenviable task of fighting for whatever goals the populace decides is right, without regard to the achievability of the goals. For instance, if the junta votes on goals, many people would say 'Full portability of GC' or 'Automatic clearance of all pending labor cert applications in the BECs'. Those would probably not fly. Our current talking point is that our goals are small changes to the process; we do not skip any steps; and we do not change the process significantly. A full portability to any job changes the process significantly. Even yesterday, Spgtopper met the staff member of a very powerful House member and the staffer was quite positive on our goals - we do not ask for more green cards, we limit our goals to ones that are reasonable.
2. IV goals are not written in stone. Name check is definitely an issue but it is an issue that not many of our people face. If our membership's problems changes from retrogression to name check, then we would have to work on that. It may be smarter to anticipate the magnitude of the problem and start work early. If you would be kind enough to partially lead the effort, that would be great. Logiclife is working on this issue on his own, and WaldenPond is also working on this. Please PM them. Logiclife is on vacation so he may take a while to respond.
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txh1b
08-26 09:07 PM
Whats ur PD? U r not current in Aug right?
AFAIK, I am. Who cares If 1st March is inclusive or not. It is a matter of 1 week.
AFAIK, I am. Who cares If 1st March is inclusive or not. It is a matter of 1 week.
Almond
12-16 07:58 PM
I know quite a few people who have gone back in the last year ;), and contrary to perception are quite happy with the choice they made.
That may be so but the number of those who choose to stay/would rather stay is overwhelming compared to those who don't ;)
That may be so but the number of those who choose to stay/would rather stay is overwhelming compared to those who don't ;)
sam2006
07-20 03:22 PM
Was asking in general..
If you have used papal you can track all the funds filtering IV.
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If you have used papal you can track all the funds filtering IV.
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